ProgressionOfWikiOrganization

Progression of Wiki Organization

There is an ongoing ProgressionOfWikiOrganization paralleling the MassProliferationOfWikis.

Note: This page is protean, and is likely incomplete and/or inaccurate at points. If you have strong knowledge here, please fill in what you know!

History of Progression to Date

1. WikiWikiWeb

In the beginning, there was the WikiWikiWeb (1994).

The topic is about People and Patterns. Over the years folks complained that there was "too much wiki on wiki talk," so SunirShah and CliffAdams set up MeatballWiki (2000?) for these meta conversations.

2. MeatballWiki

When MarkDilley came to MeatballWiki in mid 2001 he was intersted in how the Wiki community was organized. There was much linking through organic means. (no way to easily understand how to link communities together, it is easy and happens all the time, but to a newbie, it all looks crazy and overwhelmingly confusing), The attempts to solve this problem includes:

• SisterSites (199?)

• MetaWiki (200?)

• TourBus project (Summer 2002)

• [ OneBigWiki] (2002)

3. WorldWideWiki

• OneBigWiki

  • Spurred into SwitchWiki - which is a baby step in the direction of:

4. WikiNodesWiki

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messy below

The Mass Proliferation Of Wikis is attempted to be organized at SwitchWiki.

• Isn't SwitchWiki more of a way of establishing technical means for linking conveniently between wikis, rather than organizing them? Perhaps we're just using different meanings of the word "organize."

(Notes to self about process)

• MeatballWiki

  The TourBusStop project was a good step at having self organized indexes

MeatballWiki - no place to organize and think about all the wiki communities evolving =

• I keep thinking: There are many great things to talk about wiki on the MeatballWiki, but it's constrained by the RecentChanges list. It's like a room with a hundred people, all wanting to talk with their particular project group, but forced to arrange themselves in a circle, with everyone simultaneously hearing what everyone else is saying. If a company had to operate like that, it'd collapse immediately. That's why big money is spent on having seperate rooms to talk in..! But in the wiki world, it's cheap: just make a new wiki, and link between them with WikiNodes. -- LionKimbro 2003-10-02 06:14:09

• Btw, since you've left there's been a discussion of sorts that I guess was prompted on how to make Meatball more accomodating to whatever happened when you arrived (I don't know; I was away from meatball for a few months; but I assume that you posted your ideas on a bunch of different pages and it was too fast for the community to absorb?). It's under "CategorySpaghetti".

  I don't exactly know what the problem is that is trying to be solved with the Spaghetti discussion, but if it's a matter of RecentChanges getting too crowded, I think some sort of powerful filtering mechanism may be the solution.

  Ultimately, I agree that filtering may as well be done by each reader at the ChangeAggregator step.

  However, if the underlying problem is that Meatball has grown too large in terms of subjects, then I agree that the solution is to split it up into parts.

-- BayleShanks

• MarkDilley started a linear list, that changed into an index and is waiting to be completely a wiki, by having each wiki page a different wiki. And beyond, who knows what will be thought of next =

  WikiNodesWiki

I feel that the CopyrightTrap is one of the biggest hinderances to Wiki Organization right now. That, and the fact that aggregators aren't popular/mature yet, at least not as applied to wiki content. -- BayleShanks

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Chalkboard:

WikiWikiWeb *SisterSites (date)

MeatBallWiki

• InterMap (date)

• MetaWiki (date)

• TourBus project (summer 2002)

• OneBigWiki (2002)

• * SwitchWiki (2003)

WikiNodesWiki

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• There's a lot of good discussion here. I see that it's more necessary now to have the project discussion on a wikinodesproject wiki, so that this can stay clean and simple for people who just want to learn about the wikinodes concept. Because, basically, we're talking a lot about "will this work" and "what's needed to make this work"- it's a lot of strategizing, and belongs in the wikinodesproject. (Which, right now, is within the WikiNode charter for this project. So, none of this is "wrong" by present charter.) So, I suppose I'm making TWO wikis tomorrow:

  WikiNodesProject, and then WikiLegal, and then moving a bunch of content around.

  Don't worry- I'll leave links to where all the conversation moved to. -- LionKimbro 2003-10-06 00:58:52